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Old 03-16-2007, 08:01 PM
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Just because you're paranoid

doesn't mean they're not out to get you...

This is a repeat of the theme I posted earlier, but it contains extra details to clarify whether the phones can be turned on and activated as microphones REMOTELY, as opposed to law enforcement needing physical access to the phones. It CAN be done remotely, in some cases even with the phone turned off initially.

http://fourthamendment.com/blog/inde...&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
The FBI appears to have begun using a novel form of electronic surveillance in criminal investigations: remotely activating a mobile phone's microphone and using it to eavesdrop on nearby conversations.
The technique is called a "roving bug," and was approved by top U.S. Department of Justice officials for use against members of a New York organized crime family who were wary of conventional surveillance techniques such as tailing a suspect or wiretapping him.
Nextel cell phones owned by two alleged mobsters, John Ardito and his attorney Peter Peluso, were used by the FBI to listen in on nearby conversations. The FBI views Ardito as one of the most powerful men in the Genovese family, a major part of the national Mafia.
The surveillance technique came to light in an opinion published this week by U.S. District Judge Lewis Kaplan. He ruled that the "roving bug" was legal because federal wiretapping law is broad enough to permit eavesdropping even of conversations that take place near a suspect's cell phone.
Kaplan's opinion said that the eavesdropping technique "functioned whether the phone was powered on or off." Some handsets can't be fully powered down without removing the battery; for instance, some Nokia models will wake up when turned off if an alarm is set.
The U.S. Commerce Department's security office warns that "a cellular telephone can be turned into a microphone and transmitter for the purpose of listening to conversations in the vicinity of the phone." An article in the Financial Times last year said mobile providers can "remotely install a piece of software on to any handset, without the owner's knowledge, which will activate the microphone even when its owner is not making a call." Nextel and Samsung handsets and the Motorola Razr are especially vulnerable to software downloads that activate their microphones, said James Atkinson, a counter-surveillance consultant who has worked closely with government agencies. "They can be remotely accessed and made to transmit room audio all the time," he said. "You can do that without having physical access to the phone."
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Old 03-16-2007, 11:59 PM
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Words can not describe how disgusted this makes me.
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Old 03-17-2007, 07:56 AM
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Pssssstttt.

Wanna buy a phone? I can activate a phone for you no questions asked.:clover:
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Old 03-17-2007, 08:39 AM
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Wow...see I'm glad I'm not a criminal. Cell phones, at the beginning, helped out criminals communicating and organizing, which was a big blow to the police, but looks like its coming back to bite them in the....
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Old 03-17-2007, 09:11 AM
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i heard about this. wouldnt surpirse me!
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Old 03-17-2007, 08:34 PM
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Wow...see I'm glad I'm not a criminal. Cell phones, at the beginning, helped out criminals communicating and organizing, which was a big blow to the police, but looks like its coming back to bite them in the....
If the government is such a hot shot how come Bin Ladden is still running around?
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Old 03-17-2007, 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Earl Camembert View Post
If the government is such a hot shot how come Bin Ladden is still running around?
Thats just one example...a big example, but everyone makes mistakes. To pull off what he did, and not get caught yet, this guy is probably pretty smart. Or dead. But still....as much as everyone hates our government, we still have much better resources them most other governments.

*Disclaimer: This post in no way is supposed to portray any liking, on my part, of our current administration, mostly: Bush :dry:
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Old 03-18-2007, 05:07 PM
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Wandering slightly off-topic (in the off-topic forum, lol): Our government would not have a problem with illegal immigration or child support payment collections if we would put the college alumni directors in charge of those agencies - they can find ANYONE anywhere it seems like!
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Old 03-20-2007, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by NotSmellyPrepaid View Post
Kaplan's opinion said that the eavesdropping technique "functioned whether the phone was powered on or off." + "They can be remotely accessed and made to transmit room audio all the time," he said. "You can do that without having physical access to the phone."
I wonder if that would work even with the Faraday experiments we were trying? Mylar Doritos bag, steel cookie tin, metal lined eyeglass case, Mylar foil, aluminum foil, etc.?
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Old 03-20-2007, 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ClariceLecter666 View Post
I wonder if that would work even with the Faraday experiments we were trying? Mylar Doritos bag, steel cookie tin, metal lined eyeglass case, Mylar foil, aluminum foil, etc.?
I don't *Think* it would work from inside a Faraday cage, but I'm not positive. It would seem like if the GPS locator was disabled, then the ability to access the microphone remotely would be disabled as well. But then I'm also not known for my electronics abilities, lol!
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